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    (2012) Chris Hansen meets with people who have posted...  

    October 26, 2012
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>> tonight, chris hansen and his hidden cameras investigate the crazy world of the online classifieds. websites that offer anything you want, legal or not. >> you're illegally selling these drugs. >> need a fake tax return? how about a real kidney? >> it's hard to believe that you would advertise your kidney on craigslist. >> chances are you found something on one of those websites. but i bet it wasn't a human body part. or a possible hit man either. >> it seems like you're advertising a business that could kill people. >> what's it really going on online? wait till you see what our hidden cameras find. >> you just did something illegal. >> this is a counterfeit ticket. >> i'm lester holt and this is date line. chris hansen is in the wild wild web. what you're looking at is someone suggesting on hidden camera he's a hit man.
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>> walking around. >> and i'm playing along as a potential client. >> i got a problem with a guy. >> okay. >> i got to take care of it. >> okay. >> it feels like a scene from a movie. >> what are the options? >> what's going to happen to him? >> well, what can you do? >> i can do anything. >> but he's no actor and he's telling me what he's willing to do to a potential victim. >> he can disappear or get hurt, hospitalized. a lot of things can happen. >> you'll see what happens with him later. but this isn't a story about a hit man. it's really a story about where we found him. of all places, in the online classifieds. a place where billions of people worldwide come to sell, share and offer services on sites like craigslist and back paid. you can find anything, apartments, cars, furniture, jobs or even a spouse. but with just a few clicks, you
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can also find some very strange things. a young man offering his kidney for $50,000. >> it wouldn't matter to have two kidneys or one kidney. >> a woman selling a potent narcotic. a drug that should only be prescribed by a doctor. >> how do you justify this? >> you ask for them. >> this man says he's selling his marijuana delivery business. >> i could do about 800 to $1,000 a day. >> these are just a few of the people behind the posts. the billions of listings in the digital universe. they may look like simple words on a screen, but pull back the listings and there's a world of drama. >> i think it is dire. it is very dire. >> get out of my office. now you're aggravating me. >> desperation. >> it could potentially save my life. >> and deception. >> your boss is selling counterfeit products. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. >> tonight, our hidden cameras take you inside the fascinating world of the online classifieds,
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a place where everyday people live double lives. i'm chris hansen with "date line" nbc. >> we begin with how easy it is to buy powerful and highly addictive narcotics without a prescription and there are listings for almost any illegal drug you can imagine, inflaming a national epidemic of drug abuse. take this listing. mo more pain. someone is selling narcotic painkillers, including oxycontin. we responded and a few hours later, here comes our delivery man. >> sorry about the rain, dude. good to see you. >> hand me two pills when i greet him. >> what do i owe you? >> i hand him $80. and that's when i tell him who i am. >> i'm chris hansen is dateline nbc. >> are you locking me up? >> i'm not locking up. i just want to ask you what's going on. >> he knows if i was a cop, he'd be arrested selling oxycontin on the streets is a felony.
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>> you should be nervous, you just didn't something i will leem. people are getting hooked on this drug all over america and you're selling it. how do you justify that. >> he told us he was just a delivery man and this was his first and last time selling pills. >> i was just doing a friend a favor. you know what i'm saying? thank you for -- >> you're saying you're never going to do it again. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. >> you promise? >> i swear. >> he scooted away. here's another post selling narcotic painkillers. this time we asked for vicodin. we set up a meeting with the seller and here she comes. >> hey, how are you? nice to see you. >> how is everything sm. >> walk with me this place here. >> she leads me into a little boutique unrelated to our deal. where for $80, she hands me an empty cigarette pack with six pills inside. >> yeah. >> six of them in there for you. >> six, okay. >> that's vicodin? >> yeah. >> apparently, there's more where these came from.
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>> you can call me at any time. >> sounds like you got a good business going. >> i keep it as tight as i can. >> tight as you can. >> so the reason i'm asking you all these questions is because i'm chris hansen with date line nbc and we're doing a story about people who sell things online. in this case, you're selling prescription drugs online. >> actually, i don't know what i'm selling. >> what is this that you just sold to me? >> something you asked for. >> here's the problem. you're illegally selling these drugs, these prescription medicines -- >> and you sought me out. >> ending up in the hands of teenage kids. >> not really. >> who get addicted. >> what she actually sold us was the generic form of vicodin which she implied was pre described to her. >> this is my own stuff. >> where do you get it? >> from my own place. >> i'm not going to cause my place to get in trouble, absolutely not. this is my own thing. do you understand what it is to struggle on a day-to-day living? >> you understand what it is to
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provide drugs illegally? >> marijuana is illegal yet it's about to be legalized. explain to me that one. thank you and have a good day. >> thank you. >> as long as she changed the subject to marijuana, so will we. this man posted an offer on craigslist to sell a list of his marijuana clients and our meeting's going to get off to an interesting start. >>. >> come o think of it, you do look like that guy. >> how easy was it for you to get this stuff and for anyone else that wants to buy it? >> it's disturbing lester. you go on a site, punch in something like pain relief and you can buy drugs like you saw us doing like vicodin and oxycodone. you show up at a time and a place, you have the money, you get the pills. this is really important information for parents to know because there's an epidemic of this kind of drug use among teenagers and college students.
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>> you met some fascinating characters in this investigation. what's coming up next? >> the next guy goes by the name dr. love. he's got an entire drug dealing business up for grabs. >> i could do about $800 to $1,000 a day. >> check out what we've got later. would you sell a body part on craigslist? would you buy one? >> how desperate are you? >> i'm desperate for my children. >> when wild wild web continues. [ lunch lady ] what can i get you all today? sea salt & vinegar? smart pop butter? i'll take caramel with a side of white cheddar. i guess i'll have the special? [ lunch lady ] lime and salt it is. [ popcorn popping ] you guys ever get tired of just eating popcorn? [ popping stops, body thuds ] 'cause i know i never would... [ male announcer ] discover all 18 flavors of orville redenbacher's gourmet popcorn.
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someone was claiming to be selling a list of his marijuana clients. we responded and the seller suggested we meet him outside central park in new york. >> how are you doing? >> i'm cooling, man. >> meet robert atkins. >> this is me. >> nothing to hide. >> from the start, he wants to make sure that our undercover producer isn't really a cop. >> i'm not a cop. don't worry about it. >> not good enough. man. i don't talk beyond this point. >> our producer shows him his identification. and atkins opens up. >> as a delivery guy, i can do about $800 to $1,000 a day.
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>> all profit. >> oh, yes. 100 percent. it's like you can sit on your butt for a month and do nothing either. that's the cool thing about it. >> for $15,000, atkins will sell us his list of high-end marijuana customers and a crash course on drug dealing. >> if i had a phone here, i'd be like here it is. these are your clients, this is your guy who you buy the product from. this is your price. i'm willing to sit down and train someone >> he says his pot supplier in california can simply mail us our stash. >> send us money grams, keep sending them. in one day, u.p.s. to your door, you don't have to worry about it. mail order weed is the way of life. >> our producer says he's interested but first he'd like atkins to meet his business partner. that would be me. so we set up another meeting. >> good to see you. >> all right. >> chris. nice to see you. >> you look like the guy from
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>> you do look like that guy from nbc. >> here's the thing, robert. i am that guy from nbc. >> all you got to say rob, i'm interested in marijuana dealers on craigslist. >> selling marijuana in large amounts is a felony in new york. but that doesn't seem to bother atkins in the slightest. >> i'm not ashamed of what i do because, let's face it, there's a lot of hypocrisy involved, you know the politics. nobody wants to touch it but everyone is smoking it. >> he says selling marijuana is a public service for those in need, like sick people. >> there are people who are going to abuse drugs. they're going to do what they want. i can call four people, you know what i'm saying, that have cancer. wholeheartedly great honest people and health care is too much for them to pay. >> atkins say it was one of those sick clients who gave him his nickname. dr. love. >> the name dr. love actually
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came from a gentleman who has multiple sclerosis. and the guy shakes, but when you put the marijuana in his mouth, he calms down, he relaxes and that's when i feel i'm doing my job. >> atkins even sees himself as a kind of healer. >> if there was no such thing as money, i would grow marijuana and i would literally give it to people. some people call it selling weed. having this type of science, when you're relieving them, to a degree you're doing god's work. >> but he realizes what he's doing is illegal. >> but you want to get out? >> i want to get out from the perspective of having to watch my back to do it. you know what i mean? >> do you carry a gun? >> not at all. >> do you worry about being robbed? >> i deliver to people in this area. doorman buildings, co-ops, people who own penthouses. being a pot head is a cult. you mow what i mean? satanist. me pot heads know pot heads. >> atkins, like millions of
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others is a creature of the online world. >> what is it about craigslist as a phenomenon? >> craigslist is a place where people can run and do their dirt. i mean, i had a guy ask me, can i kill his wife one time? really in. >> murder for hire. >> i put an ad on craigslist, no one responded. so that's the type of crap you find on there. >> coming up -- a hit man may not be as far-fetched as you think. we just might have found one ourselves. >> it seems like you're advertising a business that could kill people. >> that's later. but next, madonna tickets to a sold-out show. think they're for real? listen to his fakeout. >> where did you buy them from? >> ticketmaster. >> then watch our stakeout. >> you try to scam us out of $700. when dateline continues. ♪ to get away on this perfect day ♪
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to borrow money for a car or to rent an apartment, you often need proof of income and steady employment. and if you don't have that proof, no problem. there are listings in the online classifieds offering fake documents. even if it's illegal. take this ad offering proof of income packages. pay stubs. even tax returns all counterfeit. so we order documents for a person who doesn't even exist to make it look like he had a real job with a real income.
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we were directed to pick up the documents in a new york suburb. >> hey, how are you doing? >> i'm matt. >> this woman who says her name is alana martin was waiting for us. first, she hands over a fake tax return. >> this looks great. you do good york york. thank you. that's the w-2. >> alana's work is quite impressive. the documents she created for us make it look like we work for time warner, making $165,000 a year. she also made us a fake w-2 to make it look like we pay taxes. >> you might want to count that up. >> by the way, making these documents is a felony. yet, alana says business is good. >> how many clients you got? >> i don't know. like a few people hit me up a day. >> if we needed other kind of fakes, like diplomas or college transcripts, she says there are website out there that can help
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us. >> you can get like harvard transcripts? >> yeah. not anything medical or legal. you can't be a lawyer or doctor. >> is it the real harvard thing? >> the seals are good. everything is legit on there. >> we bought this fake harvard diploma online and found other listings offering all kind of counterfeit documents. we bought college transcripts, diplomas, and fake i.d.s. we ordered another set from alana. this time i came along to pick them up. >> that's the 1040. >> this is the w-2 to make it look more realistic. >> those are good. >> is there any way they can figure out this is fake? >> no. but they will ask you for the bank, the verification. you can give them someone's number to ver pie your employment. >> can i give them your number? do you verify that? >> too many people wanted me to do it.
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i can't remember everybody's information. >> this must be a good little side business for you. do i have to protect you in any way? >> no. >> okay. so we're cool? >> uh-huh. >> you get all your customers online, huh? >> uh-huh. >> good looking stuff. >> so what do i owe you? >> $125. >> thank you. alana, the reason why i'm asking all these questions is, i am chris hansen is dateline nbc. we're doing a story about all the different things that are advertised online. >> now, this would appear to be illegal. what you're doing. >> are you -- novelty purposes. if they want an apartment or a car, that's it. >> but it's falsifying documents. >> i understand that. >> what? >> fraud. >> that's when alana sees our cameras and decides she's done talking. >> anything else you wanted to say? >> now, remember, alana made no
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secret of the fact that her business was selling fakes. but there are other people who sell things in the online classifieds as real. the question is, are they? take this post. four madonna tickets at madison square garden in new york. $350 apiece. only serious inquiries, please. wow. madonna tickets at face value for a sold-out show. a dateline producer and i set up a meeting to buy two of them. >> how are you doing? >> the seller tells us his name is eric. he suggested we meet at a train station in new jersey. >> so how much? >> $350 each. >> $350 each? >> eric gives us two computer generated tickets that look real to us. madonna. madison square garden, monday, november 1st. so we tell him we need to get some more cash to pay him. >> you want to run to atm. >> our producer takes the tickets with her.
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in the meantime, i chat up our seller. >> how do you get the tickets? >> i bought them. i'm just not going to be able to make it. >> you bought them? where did you buy them from? >> ticketmaster. >> the online ticket merchant for thousands of events. now, our producer hasn't really gone to an atm. she's actually on the phone with ticketmaster. they agreed in advance to tell us whether the tickets are real or fake. of course, while the seller and i wait, he sticks to his story. >> we won't have any problem using those? >> no. they scan the bar code, you walk right through. >> those are legit? >> of course. >> you see a lot of these things on craigslist, people are selling all kind of different tickets. >> the things people come up with these days. >> the things people come up with. >> finally, our producer gets
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confirmation from ticketmaster and calls me. >> eric is still wondering about the cash. but i assure him he'll soon be getting everything he deserves. >> she's on her way. she's got the money. >> you got some money, too. >> ticketmaster confirmed the tickets were fake and it wasn't that hard to tell. remember, the date on the ticket is monday, november 1st. slight problem. november 1st actually falls on a thursday. as for madonna performing in new york's madison square garden that night. she's actually going to be in st. louis. now it's time to settle our deal. >> good to go? >> awesome. >> the reason why i know this is a fake ticket is on november 1st madonna will be playing in st. louis, not at madison square garden. why don't you tell me where this really came from?
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where did you get this? >> we just talked to ticketmaster. they told us that this is a counterfeit ticket. >> you lied about this ticket. you tried to scam us out of $700. >> that's all right. >> here's one other thing you have to know. i'm chris hansen with dateline nbc. >> what? >> we're doing a story on all the different things that go on. >> that's crazy. >> on craigslist. >> oh, [ bleep ]. >> we just caught you selling phony tickets to madonna. >> hi mom. >> why don't you fess up and tell us what happened. >> i don't know anything about this. i don't know what you're talking about. >> as eric heads out, he has one last question for me. >> when is this going to be on tv? >> coming up -- fake concert ticket are one thing. but what about real body parts? >> it could potentially save my life. >> a stunning organ donation plan and the stakes could not be higher.
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there are ads for almost anything at the virtual flea market. want an artificial leg? here it is. want a glass eye with realistic veins? it's yours. but what about real body parts? there are online listings for those too. like this one posted on craigslist. amanda needs a kidney. posted by 33-year-old amanda cimino and her husband. >> how desperate are you? >> i'm desperate for my children. >> she's had kidney disease for 20 years. now she's hoping her classified listing will find a donor to save her life. >> i have two boys and they're four and six. you know, they need me. >> and she's far from the only one who turned to craigslist looking for a kidney. >> do you ever feel like giving up? >> many times.
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>> 42-year-old paula also posted an ad on craigslist, praying to find a new kidney soon. >> there are a lot of people out there like me that need help. >> paula has had lifelong kidney disease and needs dialysis three times a week. i spoke with her during one of those procedures. >> by the time i was ten years old, they found that i had kidney problems. >> she had her first transplant when she was 25. >> my mom donated the first kidney. >> then earlier this year, that kidney failed. so paula had another transplant. but that kidney also failed. now she needs another to live. with more than 93,000 people in the u.s. on the waiting list for a kidney, paula has turned to the online classifieds to find a donor. >> it could potentially save my life. so that's the reason why i've gone to the social media, to try to find a donor.
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>> while looking for a kidney is perfectly legal, selling one is a felony. still, there are plenty of ads online offering kidneys for sale. who would risk arrest, not to mention their health by selling a kidney? we responded to this one. kidney, type a blood. >> how are you? >> and here comes the person who wrote it. >> i'm chris hansen with dateline nbc. she said she did not want to appear on camera. she made it clear it's her unemployment that made her desperate. >> i would donate my kidney to whoever you can find. >> we couldn't make that promise. but she agreed to speak with us openly if we altered her appearance. so we agreed. >> how do you decide to try to sell your kidney? >> i need money. i'm heavily in debt. what way could o i possibly raise some money so that i could eat. >> you think she'd have plenty of choices. an educated woman with a degree in marketing. she says she had a good job at
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an advertising agency but was laid off three years ago and hasn't been able to find a job since. >> how many jobs do you figure you've applied for? >> i've applied for probably at least 3,000 jobs. >> 3,000 jobs? >> yes. >> in the last three years? >> yes snee. >> her unemployment has left her heavily in debt. now she has her own business idea and needs monday oi to back it. selling a kidney, she says, is her only option. >> this is the state of the economy. people are selling body parts. >> it's hard to believe that your situation could be so bad that you would advertise your kidney on craigslist. >> that's reality for not only me but for a lot of people. >> she's right. here's another ad. healthy kidney. respond for further information. so we did. and met with this man who says his name is jim.
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>> jim told us he's a college student and was thinking about selling his kidney for $50,000 to pay his tuition. he asked us to blur his face. >> so it's kind of an extraordinary step you're taking. tell me about it. >> i felt that this was something where i was able to you know help someone's life and at the same time help myself. >> you're okay with living with one kidney? >> i'm okay with that. i mean, i've done -- i thought about this for a year. i've done a lot of research. >> even though it's illegal to sell human organs, we found it heartbreaking that jim was willing to do it just to pay for college. finally, i told him who i was. >> we're not passing judgment. you're in no trouble here whatsoever. >> okay. >> you can see why we'd be curious about wanting to know what your story is. >> okay. >> and it all boils down to that college tuition.
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>> you're going to need the $50,000. that simple. >> that's true. i've talked to some friends and they would do this too. >> as for amanda and paula, both are still waiting, hoping their online ads will save their lives. >> miracles do happen. so my hero out there somewhere. i know it is. >> i got to tell you. that's disturbing on a host of levels. does anyone get a kidney legitimately through online ads? >> people have gotten kidneys legitimately and the recipient is allowed to pay for the medical expenses. the law is only broken with the donor actually profit from doing this. >> no hospital would do a transplant -- >> illegal in this country. ohm improvement a big online ad thing. you found an interesting case. >> this one advertised practically free kitchens for sale. the problem is, when we investigated, the guy running
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the world of the online classifieds is the wild, wild web and it turns out it's even got its own sheriffs. people warning the rest of us about some of the dangers out there. like this couple. their ordeal began when they set out to remodel their kitchen and searched craigslist for a good deal for cabinets. >> you found a contractor on craigslist. you thought it was a good deal. >> yeah. >> this is the ad they found. almost free kitchen cabinets much so they met with the cabinet man and gave him a nearly $5,000 deposit. but the cabinet man didn't deliver.
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>> did you ever see him again? >> no. we had communication through the phone. we were chasing him. constantly calling him. >> when i spoke with them, they still had no kitchen. >> how long has it been this way? >> five weeks. >> i mean, i really don't believe that he does kitchens. >> when they realized they had been taken, they posted their own ad on kraigs list to warn others about the cabinet man. >> what we paid for was a beautiful brand new kitchen, what we got was parts of a beautiful new kitchen. >> they say they also lost thousands to the same man. >> once we gave him the money, we never heard from him again. >> they even won a judgment against the cabinet man in court where he was a no show. who is he? we replied to his almost free cabinet ad and made an appointment as potential customers. we brought scott and daniella
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long to see if we could help resolve the issue. >> i'll go in first and if he agrees, we'll bring you in and try to mediate the situation. >> with the hidden camera rolling, i met the cabinet man. his name is john altman. >> i'm chris hansen with dateline nbc. >> from the get-go, altman was not happy to see me. >> i left the job with 15 kitchens going on to meet a customer. i can't believe you just wasted my time. >> you need to listen to something though before you get cranked up. >> you just wasted my time. >> i have a list of people who say they hired you off of craigslist. >> right. >> and they gave you money. >> right. >> you did not do the work? >> right. i have three people in the last three years that played games with me and didn't get their kitchen. that's called business. >> fair enough. >> he clearly wasn't thrilled when i told him we brought scott and daniella long. >> why don't we have a little discussion with scott and
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danielle. >> i said get out of my [ bleep ] now you're aggravating me and you're going to get in trouble. >> with the music playing from a nearby ice cream truck, altman made clear that he was no there softy. >> just chat with scott and danielle. >> i don't care about scott and danielle. talk to them about what? >> about their complaints you didn't do the work you promised to do. fair is fair. >> goodbye. >> we asked altman in an e-mail for the names of any satisfied customers. we got no response. but this next online warning turned out to be surprising because of who posted it. beware of the scam warns. it's happening in the upscale westchester mall outside new york city at this kiosk where cell phone accessories are sold. like these multipower packs that extend the life of your battery. listing says they're bootlegged, cheap knockoffs of the real thing. meet the man who made those
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allegations on craigslist. >> it's bootleg. >> how does he know? because he works here and he's blowing the whistle on his own boss. >> do you think your boss has any idea that you've posted that? >> i don't think he does quite honestly. i don't care if he does. >> why would he speak out and risk his job? because, he says, he's learned from his mistakes. in fact, he admits he's a convicted felon. >> you did time? >> i did. >> for burglary? >> burglary. >> ten years? >> yeah. >> what does that say approximate your character as a whistle blower? >> it shows that there is reform, i guess. i don't know. it's like when i did what i did, i was in a different place in my life. i just had a new child, i was battling drug addiction, like my ethics and morals took a back seat to a lot of bad things in my life. today i'm the person i wished i could be. >> are his allegations right? are these battery packs really fakes?
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we bought one at the kiosk for $79. the next day we asked chris johnson, a lawyer to take a look at it. >> i can tell beyond any doubt that this is in fact -- >> without having to look at it. >> i went back to speak with the owner of the kiosk. >> these are counterfeit? >> what you said -- >> i know for a fact that they are. >> okay. >> you know too. but the man who owns at least 11 kiosks in three separate malls maintained he had no idea his products were fakes. >> the business you're running involves selling counterfeit items. you're basically ripping people off because it's an inferior product. it doesn't work the way it's supposed to. >> i understand. i will take it off right now, right away. >> and he did. we came back a few days later and the kiosk was closed. but it turns out, his claim he had no idea about the fakes wasn't exactly true.
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in fact, he had been warned in writing about selling counterfeits by the people who lease him the kiosks about a month before we met him. so we went back to another mall where he runs a kiosk to ask him about it. he wasn't there. but we spoke to one of his employees who happens to look a lot like him. he wasn't happy to see me. >> if that camera doesn't get out of my face, i'm going to have -- >> why don't you tell me who you are and your relationship to oved and we can clear this up. >> if you touch him -- you will be in big trouble. you better calm down right now. >> you better move. you want to get touched too? i'll put my hand on you. >> that will be the last time you touch somebody, my friend. i'll tell you that. >> i will break the [ bleep ] camera. >> that would be a huge mistake. >> that would be a huge mistake.
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>> why can't you tell me what your relationship is with oved? >> at work. >> then go to work. >> after our visit, oved's employee called us and he apologized for his behavior. oved had no further comment. >> coming up -- >> i got a problem with a guy. >> okay. >> i got to take care of it. >> okay. >> our most bizarre encounter yet. have we crossed paths with a hit man? [ male announcer ] take dayquil... [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil...
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this mysterious craigslist post asks, need something done discreetly? nothing is impossible. what on earth could that mean? we knew it didn't sound good and when we answered, a man identifying himself as glenn glass fehr responded. he even sent us this picture of himself so we knew what he looked like. we insisted on meeting in a public place. here he comes now. we wanted him to think i was up to no good. >> there's one thing i want to get out of the way off the top, you're not the police, right? >> no. >> you're sure? >> i'm positive. >> i told him i had someone who was a thorn in my side. i got a problem with a guy >> okay. >> i got to take care of it? >> okay. what you want to happen to him. >> what can you do? >> i can do anything. >> like what? >> he can disappear, get hurt,
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hospitalized. a lot of things can happen. >> he can disappear. >> or i can set him up. >> how? >> a lot of things. we don't have to kill him. >> that's what i'm telling you. exactly. >> and if framing my imaginary enemy for a crime he didn't commit isn't enough, glenn says there are other things on the menu. >> he could be crippled his left leg and right elbow. stuff could happen. >> do you do this stuff yourself or you farm it out? >> it will get done. >> you got guys that will do it. women that work with me >> sound like a big business. >> this is what we do, man. >> the discussion soon turns to price. >> what are we talking about moneywise? >> depends on what you want done. >> what if i want him to disappear and jail set up? >> no problem. >> how much? >> $5,000. >> $5,000. >> yeah. >> what about disappear, disappear? >> more like $25,000. >> $25,000.
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>> you just farm that out and keep a piece of the action? >> don't worry about that. what's going to happen, let me do what i do. you don't worry about who does what. we just show me him, i got to set up surveillance on him. can't just walk up to him. i got to know what, where, when. >> you may be asking, is glenn for real? >> that's exactly what i wanted to know. >> how many times have you done this? >> i've been doing it for 15 years. >> 15 years? >> uh-huh. >> how do you learn to do something like that? >> sometimes you do stuff and you say [ bleep ] it ain't what you thought it would be. >> what do you mean? >> the first time i crippled somebody, i didn't feel nothing but jubilation when i was spending the money for doing it. >> did you ever kill anyone? >> if i tell you i killed seven people, you never prove it. because i never tell nobody where or how.
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>> remember, he told us his name was glenn glasper online. but was he telling the truth? >> i need to know who i'm dealing with, you know. this is our first meeting. >> yeah. >> this is who i am. glenn glasper. >> i'll show you who i am. >> i don't need to know who you are. >> you don't want to know? >> mo. >> sure? no. >> you may want to know who i am. >> why? >> is it advantageous for me to know who you are? >> i am chris hansen is dateline nbc. >> i watch that show all the time. you don't look like him to me. >> i don't look like him? >> no. >> not at all? >> not at all. glenn, i am that guy. >> all right. >> we're doing a story on all of the different things that are advertised on craigslist. >> okay. >> we asked to you to come out to talk about your advertisement. >> okay. >> it seems like what you're doing, advertising is illegal?
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>> is illegal. let me tell you something. -- >> turns out truth is stranger than fiction. in the middle of our conversation, glenn gives this woman something to eat. an alleged hit man with a heart. then he asked about our cameras. >> where the camera at? >> all around. >> all right. >> that lady work with you too? >> the one keep looking over here. >> yes. >> then our discussion turned back to murder. >> it seems like you're advertising a business on craigslist that could kill people, cripple people or set some up? >> that's legal to do on craigslist, ain't it? >> it may be legal to advertise. but what you just told me you were willing to do is illegal. >> i might say anything. >> what do you say now? >> what can i say? what can i say? what you want me to say? i'm not mad at you. >> you're what? >> i'm not mad at you. if it was on craigslist, anything is possible.
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>> what is it about craigslist that made you want to advertise? you told me that you made people disappear. you've busted people up and you've set people up. >> uh-huh. >> those are admissions. >> of what? >> of serious crimes. >> okay. i say anything. mr. hansen -- >> what about offering his criminal services on craigslist? >> let me tell you something, craigslist, craigslist is for that type of stuff. >> how many people have answered your ad on craigslist? a thousand. >> a thousand? >> give me a sense of the range they want to pay you to do. >> all-time of -- sleep with their wives, do all type of things. >> what does craigslist have to say about that and about all the other posts we discovered? after several back and forth e-mails, neither craigslist nor back page.com provided anyone to
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speak with us about what we found. but we were still curious about glenn. >> how much money you make on this? >> i made on this so far, $250,000. >> $250,000. >> how long you been doing it? >> 15 years. >> after all this, we weren't quite sure glenn understood the ramifications of our on-camera discussion about murder for hire. >> what do you think the police are going to say when they see this on tv. >> what can they say? they can come ask me a bunch of questions. >> you admitted to making people disappear. >> i make people disappear. there's a lot of ways to do that. >> glenn, those are serious crimes, man. you talk about killing people, busting people up and setting people up. >> i never said killing nobody. i said make people disappear. you can use whatever you want. i ain't never killed nobody or nothing like that. >> you busted people up? >> i bust people up get on my
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bad side. >> that's illegal too. >> they should call the police. they should call the police. >> and just like that, our potential hit man was on his way. so we're not sure the rest of his story will be a awalk in th park. >> as the saying goes, you can't make this stuff up. how is that allowed to happen? >> consider this, lester, every month on craigslist alone in the united states, there are 60 million new posts and craigslist says it has fewer than 40 employees. this is virtually impossible to monitor. >> therefore, we're looking at just the tip of the iceberg. >> i think we've scratched the surface. in fact, we'd like our viewers, they see something suspect on one of these sites to let us know on our website. >> you meet interesting characters. >> all in a day's work, lester. >> just pointing that out. that's all for this edition of dateline. we'll be back again next friday at 10:00, 9:00 central. i'll see you tomorrow on "today."
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